Probable,
Possible, Impossible—Time to Calculate
The
most instructive exercise conducted by Spetner involves setting up a
calculation, running the calculation, considering the implications
for the results, and making added adjustments to give some benefit
for any doubts ... and then to look at the results overall. |
To get an idea of how
improbable something is, he describes the odds of getting all heads when
simultaneously tossing 150 coins. ''This event will have a chance of one in 2150,
or one in about 1045.'' [NOTE: One set of all
150 coins being heads in 1045 = that is one chance in this many
coin tosses 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000]
The
kind of events that are supposed to run evolution take millions of
years and large populations. There can't be many trials of this
magnitude from which to find a winner. I'll compare the chances of
some of the events of evolution with this event, which most people
would call impossible. Spetner (NBC)
Page 95 |
Now we see a
comparison in the making. If it's virtually or absolutely impossible to get
all heads for those 150 flipped coins, then how similar are the odds for
getting all the steps and changes needed to get from one species to the next?
If the odds look as improbable for creating the new species as it is to get
all heads for the 150 coins ... then both events might be considered equally
impossible. Spetner sets off to find out what is needed to make his
calculation:
Summarized
from Spetner (NBC) Page 96:
For
now, let's look at evolution through the eyes of a brady. What is
the chance of the whole series of steps occurring?
To calculate, we have to know:
| What
the chance is of getting a mutation
| What
fraction of the mutations have a selective advantage
| How
many replications there are in each step of the chain of
cumulative selection
| How
many of those steps their have to be to achieve a new species |
| | |
If
we get values for these parameters we can find in the chance of
evolving a new species.
Note
that not any copying error can serve a typical step in cumulative
selection. To be a part of a typical step a mutation must:
1.
have a positive selective value, and
2.
add a little information to the genome.
|
The basic point is
Spetner's analysis identifies the necessary components to make a reasonable
calculation. From his pages 96 & 97 and following we see:
''We
already have the first of these parameters the mutation rate. The
mean mutation rate for animals is 10-10.''
''Note
that we don't know if mutations can all be of the minimum size of
one nucleotide and still satisfy the above two requirements.* But
let me assume it is possible so I can proceed, even if it means
giving away this point to the evolutionary side of the argument.''
[* None of
the point mutations that have been observed satisfying these
requirements.]
''G.
Ledyard Stebbins, one of the architects of the NDT, has estimated
that to get a new species would take about 500 steps [Stebbins
1966].''
''Using
the numbers cited by the experts, I find that one small evolutionary
step would comprise about 50 million births.''
|
We see that 500
steps—i.e., unique mutations—will be required to get from one species to
the next. We get that number from earlier in the discussion above.
What
I mean when I say "to make the theory work" is that
cumulative selection should lead to a new species by successfully
completing 500 steps. But the completion of the steps is a random
event—it's a matter of chance. We can only calculate the chance
that it will occur. We shall have to adopt some level of chance of
achieving a new species as our criterion that the theory works. Then
we can a ask how many potentially adaptive mutations there must be
to get to that level of chance. Spetner
(NBC) Page 98 |
A few more factors
need defining and then we are set to do a calculation.
First, based on
an estimate by Richard
Lewontin of Harvard University, for each species alive today there are 1,000
species that are extinct. So, to get a new species is a chance of 1 in 1,000.
To this Spetner adds another factor of 1,000 because species are known to
change little over time (this is called stasis).
1,000 times 1,000 = 1,000,000 ...
Let's
then set the level of chance to one in a million. Thus we adopt the
criterion that evolution can work if the chance of achieving a new
species in 500 steps is at least one in a million. If the chance is
less than that, we shall say that evolution does not work.
Spetner (NBC) Page 99 |
The following might
be a bit tricky to follow, but we'll give you a quote to illustrate how
Spetner thinks through one of his steps leading to his final calculation.
Now
let's find in the chance that a mutation in a particular nucleotide
will occur and take over the population in one step. What's the
chance that a mutation occurs in a specific nucleotide of the genome
during one evolutionary steps? The chance of a mutation in a
specific nucleotide in one birth is 10-10, and there are
50 million births in an evolutionary step. The chance of getting at
least one of such mutation in the whole step is about 50,000,000
times 10-10, or one in two hundred. There is an equal
chance that the base will change to any one of the other three. Then
the chance of getting a specific change in a specific nucleotide is
a third of that, or one in six hundred .
Note
that I have taken the mutation at each step to be a change in a
single nucleotide. I don't know if there is always, at each stage, a
single nucleotide that can change to give the organism positive
selective value and to add information to it. No one really knows.
But I have to assume it can if I am to get on with this study of
cumulative selection.
That's
a pretty strong assumption to make, and there's no evidence for it.
But if the assumption doesn't hold, the NDT surely won't work.
Although we don't know if it holds, let's see if the NDT can work
even with the assumption.
Spetner (NBC) Page 100
|
There are a number of
places in Spetner's discussion—and lengthy treatment in one chapter—to
address issues stemming from the thinking and writings of Dr. Richard Dawkins.
We can't give a complete accounting of the rebuttals Spetner develops to
address points made by Dawkins. You can best appreciate this by reading
Spetner's complete text (context is very important in accounting for his
responses to Dawkins' many assumptions). But the issue of a species
accumulating small changes over time is one of Dawkins' assumptions that
Spetner refutes. Again, unless mutations survive long enough to spread
throughout a population, then its more likely the mutation will vanish. Just
because a mutation occurs is no guarantee it sticks over generations or time.
Sir
Ronald Fisher did much of the original work in population genetics,
and his work is still the standard in the field. He found from his
studies that even good mutations are likely to disappear from the
population. He said:
"A
mutation, even if favorable, will have only a very small chance of
establishing itself in the species if it occurs once only. [Fisher
1958, p. 84]
He
noted that if evolution is to work, many adaptive mutants have to
appear. Only in large numbers could mutants survive the vagaries of
selection and takeover the population. But adaptive mutations are
just too rare for that.
How
many mutants would have to appear to ensure their survival? It's a
matter of chance; there's no way to ensure their survival. We can
calculate the chance that a mutation will survive if we know the
selective value.
What
is a typical selective value for the kind of evolution I am a
discussing? In the opinion of the late George Gaylord Simpson, who
was generally acknowledged as the dean of evolutionists, a
"frequent value" is about a tenth of a percent. He felt
that a hundredth of a percent "... may be less than the
average" [Simpson 1953, p. 119]. I shall therefore choose 0.1%
as a typical selective value.
Spetner (NBC) Page 102
|
In fact we get a
picture that mutations have to run wild to even test their prospects for
persisting and thereafter for their ability to factor into an adaptive feature
for any species. But here, just to be 'fair,' we see Spetner give some wiggle
room for evolution.
Fisher's
calculations show that for only one mutation with a tenth of a
percent selective value the odds are 500 to one against its
survival. There would have to be almost 350 such mutants to have a
50 % chance of survival. There would have to be more than 1100 of
them to have a 90 % chance.
For
just a moment let's look at the chance of a species evolving into a
new one if at each step there is only one potential copying error
that can be adaptive. What we've found above is the chance of just
one of the small steps occurring. To get a new species, 500 of them
have to occur without any failures. As we shall soon see, for
successful evolution the probability of each has to be very nearly
one. The chance of 500 of these steps succeeding is 1/300,000
multiplied by itself 500 times. The odds against that happening are
about 3.6 x 102,738 to one, or the chance of it happening
is about 2.7 x 10-2,739. That's a very small chance! It's
more than 2,000 orders of magnitude smaller than the chance of the
event I call impossible. Spetner
(NBC) Page 103
|
Even if we string 500
successful mutations together over time, we end up with odds that don't seem
to favor evolution in the slightest!
...
So we see that evolution will work only if
there are at least a million potential adaptive mutations at each
step.
...
if a new species is to evolve from an old one, two conditions have
to hold. They must apply to any stage in evolution. These
considerations are:
1.
An adaptation that adds information to the genome can always arise
through a change in a single nucleotide.
2.
At each stage of evolution there are about a million nucleotides in
which a change will satisfy the first assumption.
I
could have put it these two conditions together and expressed them
as one. But I'd rather look at them separately because they make to
distinct points. Unless these conditions hold, the NDT will not
work. To make the NDT work, I must assume these conditions hold.
I'll call them the Darwinian Assumptions.
Spetner (NBC) Page 104
|
There are more
conditions to be met. Remember, each isolated mutation doesn't necessarily
have to relate to any previous or subsequent mutation. Each event could be so
independent as to not contribute to some correlated end point (e.g., the
making of a new species by macroevolution). But to work additional conditions
apply, mutations must ...
1.
They must be able to be part of a long series in which the mutation
in each step is adaptive.
2.
The mutations must, on the average, add a little information to the
genome.
...
Curiously, no mutations that have selective value are known to
satisfy this condition. They either reduce the information in the
genome, or they seem to add too much.
Some
microevolution does not involve the mutation. It instead uses the
variation already in the population. The evolution of industrial
melanism in and the peppered moth is an example.
Spetner (NBC) Page 106
|
Our account is brief.
The points we are reviewing are sound. But further study will reveal to you
the matrix of concerns comprehensively presented by Spetner. Addressing the
proposition of evolution is itself a matrix of facts, assumptions, and views
from the Darwinian and neo-Darwinian camps. Once we consider the traditional
Darwinian view, as above, we next have to cover the neo-Darwinian (i.e., the
recent genetic and molecular) perspective.
None
of the above examples show the kind of mutations that the NDT needs.
In fact, there are no known cases of evolution that meet the
conditions of cumulative selection. There are some known cases
of evolution with copying errors, but they show only a kind of microevolution
that one cannot extend to macroevolution. None of them adds
information. All that I know of, actually lose information. There
are no known as examples of copying errors that have been observed
and that have been studied on the molecular level that qualify to be
a step in cumulative selection. We shall therefore find we have to
reject Darwinian Assumption 1, and consequently we shall have to
reject the NDT. Spetner
(NBC) Page 107
|
You'll find details
on rejecting Darwinian Assumption 1, and others, in Spetner's text. But for
the moment, let's be clear. Macroevolution is assumed such that we are told
ancestor species (simple cells on primitive earth) gave rise to all the life
forms we see today. The calculations say this is not happening. But
microevolution occurs ... so we are saying evolution of a fashion does occur.
This gives us a path from one species to the next, but more like from bird to
bird, or fish to fish, or horse to horse, but not bacteria to man. The shorter
range evolution known as microevolution has been extrapolated to define
macroevolution. We have documented microevolution, but as noted here and on
other pages in this Science Area, there are problems in producing certainty
for macroevolution. In fact, the evidence says macroevolution does not occur.
This is the point Spetner is making with the math.
Dr. Spetner reminds
us that not only is there a first of 500 steps to his example, a step that is
one of a million possible steps, but there are all the remaining steps
counting down to the last of the 500 steps leading to a new species.
The
process has a huge amount of freedom. If an evolutionary path were
to begin a second time from the same point, the first outcome would
not repeat. The odds against it repeating is a million multiplied by
itself 500 times, or 103,000, to one. By comparison, the
odds against the event called impossible are only 1045
to one. The species resulting from the second path would almost
certainly be different from the first. Spetner
(NBC) Page 108
|
Spetner furthermore
has us think of the evolutionary process as working through a maze. At every
level a new mutation ... and by the time we escape the maze all the mutations
have to be acquired without being fatal or disappearing. The following might
be a bit technical, but think of the phenotype as features we see (e.g.,
height, hair color) and genotype as the genetic information stored in the DNA.
When the information of the genotype is expressed, we see it in the phenotype.
In terms of the maze ...
Let
the maze be built on the basis of the phenotype—it will still have
an enormous number of paths. The maze for the phenotype may have
fewer branches at each node than the maze for the genotype. There
may be less than a million—maybe only ten thousand. In that case
there would be 10 2,000 branches. The odds against coming
out the same place twice would still be enormously larger than the
odds against what we called the impossible event. Since we
would still have to call it impossible, we have to rule out
phenotypic, as well as genotypic, convergence.
Spetner (NBC) Page 114
|
In
general terms, a phenotypic change is something we can see as a difference in
appearance. The outward change should also relate to a change in the genetic
information (genome) inside the organism's cells.
Spetner continues in
a discussion with examples that the neo-Darwinians cannot explain. And his
probability analysis continues to show as impossible and not merely
improbable. Intriguing, these examples further tip the scales against the
standard storyline for evolution. Spetner's point is this is not obvious when
evolutionists don't want to do the math. But making the calculations makes an
incredible point. One we dare not miss.
To
have a chance of at least one in a million of getting one adaptive
recombination in 10 trillion replications, there would have to be 10
2017/ 1019 adaptive ones. That means that 10 1998
potential recombinations would have to be adaptive.
With
this number of adaptive possibilities, there would be a
one-in-a-million chance that one of them will appear in the
population during the million generations. Actually, to get this
chance of an adaptive recombination that will survive in the
population, we need somewhat more than 101998. But never
mind. That number is already too big to allow convergence.
I
hope I have shown you here why the NDT doesn't work. I have shown it
through an example. Fred Hoyle, astronomer, mathematician, Fellow of
the Royal Society, and retired professor at Cambridge University,
together with Chandra Wickramasinghe, chairman of the Department of
Astronomy and Applied Mathematics of the University of Cardiff, have
arrived at the same result in a more general mathematical way. They
have presented a mathematical disproof of the NDT in a small book of
only 34 pages, entitled Why Neo-Darwinism Does Not Work. They
call what they have done a "simple and decisive disproof of the
'Darwinian' theory." [Hoyle and Wickramasinghe 1982].
Spetner (NBC) Page 119
|
Like it or not, this
computational assessment leaves us with a conclusion.
The
NDT's claim is the same as Darwin's. It claims to explain how all
life evolved from some simple beginning. It claims to explain how
all the complexity of life evolved in a natural way as a process
that occurs through a combination of chance and the known laws of
nature. It, too, claims to have substituted chance for design.
I have
shown so far that on a theoretical grounds random mutations cannot
form the basis of evolution. The information of life could not have
been built up the way the NDT says it was. Evolutionists have not
succeeded in finding a random source of the variation that will make
the NDT work. Spetner (NBC) Page 120
|
Others
Agree
The following quotes
are offered to indicate Spetner is not alone. We readily agree that these are
taken from their greater context. So, we also encourage you to look up the
sources as cited and read further.
From Denton:
The
inability of unguided trial and error to reach anything but the most
trivial of ends in almost every field of interest obviously raises
doubts as to its validity in the biological realm. Such doubts were
recently raised by a number of mathematicians and engineers at an
international symposium entitled "Mathematical Challenges to
the Neo-Darwinian Interpretation of Evolution", a meeting which
also included many of leading evolutionary biologists. The major
argument presented was that Darwinian evolution by natural selection
is merely a special case of the general procedure of problem solving
by trial and error. Unfortunately, as the mathematicians present at
the symposium such as Schutzenberger and Professor Eden from MIT
pointed out, trial and error is totally inadequate as a problem
solving technique without the guidance of specific algorithms, which
has led to the consequent failure to simulate and Darwinian
evolution by computer analogues. Denton
(ETC) Page 314 |
Think of Spetner's
calculations in terms of getting a new protein to be correct and functional.
Look at what it takes to make this happen!
There
are, in fact, both theoretical and empirical grounds for believing
that the a priori rules which govern function in amino acid
sequence are relatively stringent. If this is the case, all the
evidence points in this direction, it would mean that functional
proteins could well be exceedingly rare. The space of all possible
amino acid sequences (as with letter sequences) is unimaginably
large and consequently sequences which must obey particular
restrictions which can be defined, like the rules of grammar, are
bound to be fantastically rare. Even a short unique sequences just
ten amino acids long only occur once by chance in about 1013
average-sized proteins; unique sequences twenty amino acids long
once and about 1026 proteins; and unique sequences thirty
amino acids long once in about 1039 proteins! Denton
(ETC) Page 323 |
From Bradley and
Thaxton:
Neglecting
the problem of reactions with non-amino acid chemical species, the
probability of getting everything right in placing one amino acid
would be 0.5 * 0.5 * 0.5 = 0.0125. The probability of properly
assembling N such amino acids would be .0125 * .0125 * ... continued
for N terms of .0125. If a functional protein had one hundred active
sites, the probability of getting a proper assembly would be .0125
multiplied times itself one hundred times, or 4.9 * 10-191.
Such improbabilities have led essentially all scientists who work in
the field to reject random, accidental assembly or fortuitous good
luck as an explanation for how life began. Bradley
and Thaxton (CH) Page 190 |
Oller and Omdahl
state (and in agreement with the quoted point made above by Denton ...) with
regard to a symposium entitled " Mathematical challenges to the
Neo-Darwinian interpretation of evolution" held on April 25th it and 26,
1962:
In
"Algorithms and the Neo-Darwinian Theory of Evolution"
Marcel P Schutzenberger of the University of Paris calculated the
probability of evolution based on mutation and natural selection.
Although with many other noted scientists, he concluded that it was
"not conceivable" because the probability of the chance
process accomplishing this is zero: "there is no chance (<
10,000-1000) to see this mechanism appear spontaneously
and, if it did, even less for it to remain. ... Thus, to conclude,
we believe that there is a considerable gap in the Neo-Darwinian
theory of evolution, and we believe this gap to be of such a nature
that it cannot be bridged within the current conception of
biology." Oller and Omdahl (CH)
Page 274
|
From the perspective
of making functional DNA ...
... In a
the October 1969 issue of Nature, Frank Salisbury of Utah
State University, then on leave at the Division of Biomedical and
Environmental Research at the U.S. Atomic Energy Commission,
examined the chances of occurrence of one of the most basic chemical
reactions for the continuation of life. This reaction involves the
formation of a specific DNA molecule. (It is important to realize
that Salisbury was assuming that life already existed. His
calculations do not refer to the chance of the origin of life from
dead matter—something infinitely more improbable—but to the
continuance of already-existing life.) Oller
and Omdahl (CH) Page 276
|
Dr. Salisbury
calculated the chance of this molecular evolution on a possible 1020
planets —all with hospitable biologic conditions. Remember, this number of
planets is infinately more than the number estimated that could exist in the
universe. He allowed 4 billion years for the chance existence of this molecule
on all of these planets. This is not a calculation for life, but only
calculating the chance of one appropriate DNA molecule.
Salisbury
concluded that the chances of this one tiny DNA molecule's coming
into existence over 4 billion years, with conditions just right, on
just one of these almost countless number of hospitable planets,
including the earth, as one chance in 10415. This figure
far exceeds the standard of Borel's law, which says that beyond a
certain point improbable events never happen, regardless of the time
span involved. Indeed, 10+50 planets would pack the known
universe, yet the chance that life could evolve from dead matter on
any one of them is still beyond possibility. Oller
and Omdahl (CH) Page 276
|
|